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InfoFi is on the rise.
Crypto has been on a decades-long journey to find its killer application. It's been found, and now it's being acknowledged by the wider society: Prediction Markets
The power comes from creating markets where the self-interested objectives of searching for upside produce positive externalities in the form of reliable information. If you make those markets competitive enough, you can trust the bottom-line to reasonably correlate with reality
Prediction Markets work great for betting on outcomes that can be objectively, unambiguously observed. They have proven to be more reliable than traditional polling, etc
The Negation Game is our thesis for how we can expand the scope of InfoFi for subjective things like beliefs. They do so by creating markets where participants can bet on how credible an idea will be in the future (its placement in the Overton Window).
One major concern with that is that bets like those are Keynesian Beauty Contests: The optimal bet for participants is based on the expected average bet from the bulk of the market.
While that could be useful in itself to predict trends and map out the collective vibe, it has limited applications in high-stakes environments like governance and science. The outcome is dominated by rhetoric, and we elicit not the best ideas, but the best memes.
That is what we see in the public sphere all the time: most of the widely accepted ideas can be easily disproven, while the most robust ones face an uphill battle to become mainstream.
We can do better.
Rhetoric works wonders when you're defending an idea in isolation, but if you have to connect that idea with other ones, it starts falling apart.
For example, take the typical dunk on privacy: “If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear”. That is an example of rhetoric that works wonders when uttered in isolation, but it starts falling apart if you acknowledge a couple of counterexamples:
So this is what we do in the Negation Game: instead of isolated bets, you get a network of bets with mutually exclusive relationships.
That way, for one idea to do well, its counterpoints can't also do well. So you can't only consider the first-order popularity of an idea, but also the second-order popularity of counterarguments, third-order of their rebuttals, and so on.
That transforms the incentive landscape from the search of the best memes to a systematic search of the best, most defensible ideas. The Schelling point is how well you think the idea will do after its been hashed out.
If you're thoughtful, these are questions you should have:
What if someone offers a counterargument that's accurate but not relevant and so should have no impact on the market price?
What grounds these markets in observations? Why aren't they merely a perpetual popularity contest?
If you're using these for making onchain decisions, how do you ensure the market isn't manipulated to the benefit of the players that would benefit from that decision?
How do we fund the acquisition of new information (e.g. experiments, evidence finding, interviews, data collection, etc)?
But I won't be digging into those rabbit holes now because, if you made it here, you're already in the highest percentiles of attention span. But do expect some follow-ups delving (I swear this is not AI generated) into that.
Written by Volky: Twitter Warpcast
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There's a hyperstitious dimension to explore here too: this isn't mere plain argument cartography, since you're incentivized to produce evidence to back up your bets.
Probably there's also a Sun Tzu worthy catalog of interesting dynamics that reinforce those properties to explore.
Collect this post as an NFT.
CT outrage farming is slowing Ethereum’s progress. We need better ways to discuss important issues The same open-source tech behind community notes can help reveal shared understanding instead of fueling division I think the Farcaster protocol is part of the solution, but we need to build a new way on top of it to surface real consensus Here’s my take on how we can make it happen. If you want to help, reach out https://paragraph.xyz/@chaskin/the-time-to-build-a-better-social-network-for-ethereum-is-now
Wondering if a dedicated channel that only a bot can cast in would work for this. Each cast could be a question with a frame for voting. A dedicated client would require more dev resources and be harder to get people using consistently. However, the CT criticism will be that its biased because the most active people on FC are the ones voting the most. 🤔
Just focus more on users and their pain points (rather than just devs)
I agree and that's something we're working on however the topic of my post was a separate issue. I think kelvin sumed it up better than I did https://x.com/jchaskin22/status/1889447194757046297
makes sense but it's not just twitter that incentivizes this humans react more to ragebait and conflict (both on twitter and other social platforms)
yup that's why I think a polis based tool could be one potential medium for coordination. there's no reply so you have no incentive to ragebait. Just agree, disagree, and pass buttons. Then it uses ml to find patterns in voting data and highlight statements supported by people who hold opposing viewpoints
I also think more in person forms of communication whether it’s spaces etc are much less toxic so trying to get the community engaged in that format could be helpful too. Really like the product focused spaces that you’ve been hosting
@nor
thank you thank you, @rithikha @chaskin.eth https://paragraph.xyz/@ngi/info-market-overton
Reading your cast I immediately thought of Pol.is. I think this is a must have and I would be happy to make art experiments related to this, help develop the culture and share it with communities I am part of.
Yup. Twitter at this point is mostly clout farming made worse the additional incentive by kaito. Your post is on point, make it impossible to reward this behavior
great post, this highlights things that have been on my mind lately. i am a dev and willing to help bring this to life a few things i still want to help figure out, curious if you have thoughts: - how can we also make sure we are including diverse opinions that aren’t so biased (agreed on dunking is bad, but bag bias is also real) - i’ve been thinking of a way to still pull in twitter data read only, perhaps piping through an LLM, just to stay up to date while not engaging with the platform. possibly putting an LLM between - the cost issue, twitter being “free”, might be harder to get more people to join if casts need to be paid for i have more thoughts i’m sure, will need to think about it. but im happy to help. thanks for the great article, this is an insanely important issue and why im also more so on farcaster now!
To your 3 points - Good point. We could also explore weighting mechanisms to balance representation across different stakeholder groups (devs, users, researchers, etc.). Open to ideas on making this more robust - Yeah, this could be useful, an LLM filter could help strip out the rage bait while still surfacing real discussions worth tracking. Curious if anyone has experimented with this already - Definitely a consideration. One approach is using Farcaster’s social graph but not requiring paid casts, just using it as an input while running the actual discussion layer separately. But we don’t even need Farcaster for this to work, the Polis algorithm can function independently